Saranagati Village Fencing Report 2017

Over the years we have been focusing on gathering accurate and meaningful information which we are now able to present to you in this report/projection. This has been accomplished with a great deal of help from Ramanath and his abilities with Google Maps, Kalindi and Kavi with their drone, and a lot of walking.

Please note that we are especially focusing on completion of the west side fence and then completing the north and east side. This would then complete the entire fencing project. It has been a process taking 15 plus years. We are almost there !

1) The south side SVHI boundary is also Bhakti Raghava Swami's property line. He wants a post and rail fence. So he has offered to act in partnership with SVHI, paying for making the rails and installing them.  Thus, SVHI would pay for the posts and post-pounding instead of SVHI paying for everything

2) On Lot 19, after much study we conclude that simply by following our SVHI  property line on the north and east as shown on the google map, we can tie into bluffs on both ends and thus stop the beef cows from coming onto our property

Fence Cost Estimates

West Side

13,000 feet (4.1 km), 700 posts needed: 380 posts in, 80 on ground,  some wiring completed at Ananda Loka and some in south
Cost of new posts and drop/posts: $2100, wire $3000
Wire  75 x 40 = $3000, Posts 300 x 7 = $2100
Labour: $2,200,  Project Mgmt + gas $1000
Tractor : 50 hours, $3250 (pre-paid)
TOTAL: $8,300

South Side

Cost Estimates
South Boundary fence: 750 feet, 80 posts needed, rails provided
Materials: $560 posts,  $400 gate for Minnabariet Road
Labor: $300, Project Mgmt + gas $250
Tractor: 8 hours, $520 (prepaid)
TOTAL: $1,510

North and East Fence

Cost Estimates
4,500 feet
Materials: $2,550 (including $300 for wire forthe line not shown from   Yamuna’s  corner to the cattle guard on Venables Valley Rd)
Labor: $4,500
     Project Mgmt + gas $500
TOTAL: $7,550

Central: All fences are complete!

Cost Estimates   Zero as only minor fixes to 2 gates  and cattleguard fence on Venables Road is required

Note: All fence cost calculations are based on information from the Kamloops Cattleman’s association

  • Labor:  $1.00 per foot
  • Materials: $0.50 per foot
  • Barbed wire @ $0.05 per ft
  • $75 per rod - 1320 feet in rod
  • Line posts 3" / 4" x 7ft  @ $6.00
  • Droppers @ $1.00  (we could make our own)
  • Braces @ $24.00  (we could make our own)
  • Tractor post pounder $65 and hour at 6 posts per hour



     Some 15 years ago Pracetana wrote a paper and spoke at an AGM on the subject of beef cows in Saranagati.  Her points were accepted and endorsed by the shareholders. It was acknowledged that fencing out the beef cows needed to be done and that it was a community/SVHI responsibility. It was further concluded that we needed to begin taxing shareholders in order to pay for the fencing , but we could not possibly pay for all of the fencing all at once, nor could we afford not to continue our lease agreement with Bob Pascoe, which gave us “farm status” and thus a big tax savings. The fencing fund and budget was thus begun.

     The subsequent Board of Directors gave me the assignment of Fencing Co-ordinator to develop a fencing plan and oversee the execution of the plan on behalf of the Board of Directors and answering to and reporting to the Board. Thus began the process some 15 years ago (approx.) I have taken this service very seriously and have given countless hundreds of hours of seva . Two years ago I started billing for some of my time because this service became so much more demanding and time consuming and expensive(gas money) Furthermore, upon dropping the Pascoe lease , we have had to prove legitimate farm status without the presence of beef cows. Coordinating and executing this aspect of the plan has required much more of my time and further expense. I am not financially independent and therefore have started to bill SVHI a minimal rate for my time. During this transition period while the fencing has not yet been completed beef cows still find their way onto our land and so for the past 4 years I have been very active in chasing the cows off and out. Previously, I have not been billing for this service but this year, starting in the spring, I began to do so. Initially, my service description was “fencing co-ordinator” and did not include the actual contract of building the fence. However, our efforts to find a suitable fencing contractor within our community or from the outside have not been successful and so my job description has gradually evolved to include construction as well.


More to it Than Meets the Eye …

     Frequently, over the years, a devotee will say, upon looking at a map of Saranagati, that we can simply measure the perimeter of the five rectangles and thus calculate the total cost and then just start building. This approach is an extreme over-simplification and results in an impossible plan. I have, therefore, had to many times, hike the perimeter boundaries of our land, inspect and follow old fence lines, scour old fencing maps, many times meet fencing regulators in their offices in both Kamloops and Merritt, organize on-site meetings  with stakeholders ( Cook’s Ferry, Oregon Jack, range agrologist, and ourselves ) , purchase equipment, purchase building materials, and strategic planning … all of this must take place before even one post is pounded or one strand of barbed wire is strung. Once we are actually ready to build a section of fence, there is the matter of hiring a crew, co-ordinating volunteers, teaching fencing skills, providing machinery, tools, and supplies, “quality control” and finally on-going maintenance of the fence.

Back To History …

     We have understood from the outset, that as long as we were subject to the lease agreement with Bob Pascoe, we could not interfere with the free-flow of his cows. His cows impact us coming from the east side of our community. The west side of our land, however, is bordered by tenured rangeland belonging to the Cook’s Ferry Band. Since we had no such agreement with them, like we did with Pascoe, we could at least start building a fence on the west side.But even this required a great deal of time, spanning several years, to reach an agreement amongst the stakeholders as to where the fence would go.
     Keep in mind that none of us had any background or experience in fencing. It has certainly been a steep learning curve for me . Initially, we al thought that we could organize a big seva day and get a lot of fencing done very quickly. This proved to be an unworkable plan. While there is much that can be done by unskilled volunteers, fencing does entail experience, skill,  and a fairly high degree of professionalism. A significant amount of work did get done on the west side but there is still more to be done – posts to be pounded and wire to be strung. But the urgency for completing the West side decreased when the Minnibariet’s discontinued keeping a herd, and so, we put further work there on hold as I wanted to save our limited funds for the east-side.


AGM 2012 …

      At the AGM in 2012 shareholders voted to discontinue the lease with Bob Pascoe. This decision set in motion a whole new level of fencing prioritization. The easiest and most reasonable plan was to resurrect the old fence lines by replacing the old posts and old wire with new posts and wire. But this was not to be. Bob Pascoe would not cooperate and the government agency was crippled by internal issues. We are now on the sixth” Range Agrologist” overseeing our area out of the Merritt office. For each one of them I have had to arrange for them to tour our valley and bring them up to speed on the issues we face. Each of these meetings takes up the better part of a day.

     The north end of our valley is in the Kamloops District. The personnel in that office has also completely changed over the past several years. The two offices, Kamloops and Merritt, keep passing the buck for the responsibility of Venables Valley. Finally, the summer before last (2015) we managed to get both offices in sync and six government vehicles converged at Bhumi Farms for an on-site meeting. All of the officials agreed that my proposal for where the fences should go was a good one and they approved it. They even sent out a forest tech to ribbon and GPS where the fencing should go. BUT … they needed “First Nations” approval before they could give the final “go ahead” … months went by. I met with Jackie Teggart, our local MLA, on 2 occasions in order to get her help but her efforts were not fruitful. Bob Pascoe was playing his usual games of avoidance and ignoring scheduled meetings, and in the end, made it impossible to proceed as we had wanted. The current Rangeland Agrologist at the time was very pro-active on our behalf. He visited our valley many times, walking and GPS’ing old fence lines and proposed new ones. He took many photos of Pascoe’s cows illegally grazing on our private land, and untenured crown land. I assisted him on these occasions He made an in-depth report to his authorities. As a consequence, he was removed from his position for “stirring up trouble” He came to me afterwards, in an unofficial capacity, to tell me these things and he gave me his private phone number and he assured me that he would testify in court on our behalf if he was ever needed.
      Besides the above, we had other challenges, as well. Finding a responsible dedicated crew to do the actual fencing work also caused big delays.
     Getting approval for the cattle guards was a long drawn out drama taking many months, but work could not begin until that was resolved. Finally, “they” approved the location of the cattle guards and adjacent fence – then “they” changed their minds and insisted on a different location. Then “they” informed us that it would cost $30,000.00 for installing the cattle guard. Much more time went by as we fought a battle to have that cost removed.


     In spite of all of this, we have made significant progress. I see light at the end of the tunnel … and we have kept costs way down. The two areas in the south east where Pascoe’s cows entered the valley have now been completely sealed off with good fencing. The cows are now finding new routes into the valley further to the north. They are coming up over the mountain behind Lalasamayi’s place and down to the lakeshore. We are presently identifying those spots so that we can put fencing there.


Besides identifying our vulnerable spots on the eastside of Lots 18 and 19, we intend to construct the east/west southern boundary fence this fall and then , again work on completing the west-side fence, hopefully finishing that before winter or next spring at the latest. This westside fence has again become a priority as Minnibariets have again introduced a herd of 45 cows.
     This will leave the north and northeast for the final push. This final phase requires more research before a final plan and budget can be put in place. It is a large area with rough terrain. Our intention is to identify key spots of vulnerability and fence only those spots, thus saving a great deal of laksmi.
     Realistically, the completion of this last phase will be accomplished 2 years from now – in 2019.
Also – this fall we will need several more meetings with rangeland authorities in order to finalize fence locations in the north end.  We will also spend time this fall pursuing grants that could possibly offset some of the cost of the fencing.


This part of the report does not give any philosophical, spiritual, environmental or financial rationale for fencing our community

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